Why is it so hard for women and children to get out of the car and onto bikes, scooters and their own two feet? Jan Garrard and Hulya Gilbert are two researchers with a few answers. And some solutions.

Produced by Nicky Page

This recording is from the Step Away from the Car series of podcasts, recorded at the 2017 Australian Walking and Cycling Conference. To listen to the rest of the series, click here.